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BrianT wrote:

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No. Are you better at interpreting Christ's words than millennia of theologians?

When one lets the Spirit direct him, it is EASY!

Did you reflect on that statement of Christ- r do you need to ask your Clergy what it means?

jerryrose wrote:

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I will try to answer your question theMadJW, and may God direct our conversation.

Mad: THANK you, Jerry, for such a peaceful, and good wish!

In that verse, he is without a doubt talking of his Father, who is God. No, they are not plural, but our God is one God, Mark 12:29. We must never dismiss the absolute fact that he is one God, and not three gods.

Mad: True, HOWEVER, you must be honest with YOURSELF, at least: CHURCHianity is extremely deceptive- as this shows:

They claim their 'Triune God' is ONE God- yet they are 3 Co-equal, Supreme Beings! SAYING they are "One", yet teaching they are "Three" is absoulutely

absurd. They cahnge the definition of "God" from referring to the Supreme Being to the Supreme Beings!

Please pray about this!

You say he was not speaking of himself. True, as the Son of God he was not speaking of himself, but his Father. As the Word however, he was.

Mad: Izzat supposed to mean Jesus is also the Father?

Jesus is the Word theMadJW, never forget that. He is the true God.

Mad: It is a 2,000 year old deception of Churchianity. The clue is that the Word was "WITH" God! "Was" God is easy to understand IF you put Tradition

aside, and lok at scripture. For example:

Exodus 7:1 (Darby Translation)
1-And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have
made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron
thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby

They condemn our translating the Word was
"a god", while they do that with the reference
to Moses "being" God!

There ARE no 'a's nor caps in biblical Hebrew and
Greek- so they HAVE to be inseted at the discretion of the Translator, who is USUALLY influenced by what HE believes!

Both Jesus AND Moses were "God" or "a god".
(Ex 7:1, John 1:1)
Both mean exactly the same thing, which is shown
by the added refernce to Christ being called
"the WORD"!
Of course, Jesus represents God PERMANENTLY,
wheras Moses was only so temporarily, to
pharoah.

He is the I AM.

Mad: That reference to John 8:58 is incorrect.

Nearly EVERY Bible Translation I have found follows the Tradition (rather than the Greek) at John 8:58, and have Jesus speaking ebonics!

Only our New World Translation renders True!
For years, I have used the rest of the Bible to show that Jesus never claimed to be "I AM"
(Ex 3, John 8:58), and just thought I'd check an Interlinear, out of curiosity...
Man- do I regret not doing that SOONER!
I found that the two Greek Words translated in EVERY TRANSLATION BUT OURS as "I AM" are used FREQUENTLY in the 'New Testament'- and NEVER as
that ancient Symbolic Hebrew Name God used once- "I am ".
Examples of how that phrase is rendered in all other scriptures- (any interlinear will quickly show you)-
"I am, I have, I was, it is I, we have", and may more varitions.

What complete, and utter deception!
God used that symbolic Name (I AM) only ONE time, then stated what His REAL Name is.
It has never been used since.

Let's try doing a little thinking here, for a change: The Jewish clergy tell Christ he isn't OLD enough to have seen Abraham.
He answers them!
If he replied with the Symbolic Name God used ONE TIME with Moses- it not only would NOT be an answer- it would be MEANINGLESS!
(It's like saying "Before Celine Dion was born, ELVIS PRESLEY!" THAT makes a lotta sense, eh?)

Its a false translation of the scripture, trinitarians mistranslated this verse to support the false Trinity doctrine- for they HAVE to
make it look like Christ claimed he was the Almighty SOMEWHERE!

He is the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost. These three are one that dwell in his body, and his body dwells in him.

Mad: Ah! So Jesus is his own father, sent himself, glorified himself, and baptised himself! WOW!

You REALLY expect me to be that gullible???

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." 1 John 5:20

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7--some liars say this is not supposed to be in the Bible, they lie theMadJW, and don't believe them for a second!!!

Mad: I don't HAVE to; it has been proven BEYOND DOUBT that that phrase was added much later- for ALL the earlier copies from different lands

DO NOT HAVE IT! Even the Pro-Trnitarian Translations leave those words out because it is so well known!

Hope I have answered your question effieciently, if not I apologize and exhort you to search the Scriptures out.

Mad: Agape, Jerry- I hope you one dy follow your own advice!