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77: I was tempted to tell him fourteen billion years and some change; but, honestly, the only thing I find more tiresome than KJV-Oism has to be the YEC can of worms. Bleh.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Is the term kings in the verse above in reference to all believers (Christians) who will be found with a righteousness not of their own ?

Can God hide absolute truth from one person while at the same time reveal it to another ?

Ah, I think garee is trying to bring up the old "pistis Christou" debate.

Is faith a work?

Hi Sawbones,

Thanks for sharing all of that that information with me, it was very informative, hopefully it will help my poor English skills.

I have no firm conviction about one or the other interpretation, and perhaps both may be correct in different instances.

My opinion would be latter (both) as one work, in all instances. I believe we can see that action in several verses, but the one that comes to mind, particularly is in Philippians 3:9, where I believe scripture teaches that we cannot have faith in Christ, unless we are first given the faith of Christ, as the gift of God (not of our selves).

Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

To respond to your other questions, I know of no "law" which governs the "work of faith" or "labor of love".

I consider it the law of faith.

I understand ,"work of faith" or "labor of love" as one action and because of that work, we can love Him, which without no man could please God.

1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Work prompted by or arising out of faith is good work resulting naturally because of preexistent faith

I believe that preexistent faith as supernatural, as His Spirit witness to our spirit, which was dead in its tress passes and sin, that we have been born of His Spirit, as the authority to believe God, as the work required to know Him.

This is how I understand James' apparent rebuttal to those who claim "sola fide" in a passive sense; genuine faith results, at least eventually, in works or actions.

I agree, but "whose" genuine faith results in work or action, as the author and finisher thereof, Christ as our faithful creator, or the new creation He has created, by that action?

No, faith is not a work; it is a response which sooner or later results in works.

I would say to do the will of God, is to do the work God requires as an action of His will. I believe He performs working that which is appointed to us. The fact that I believe it is God who can soften my heart making it fallow ground as a work of His faith, is very humbling to me.

Why should such a question even arise?

Because of questions like yours, seeing faith without works is dead, as would be the bride of Christ, without the work of Christ's faithfulness, labor of love.

The body in view in James I believe would be considered the new creation,as the bride of Christ and the faith that can create spirit life would be of Christ's labor of love, which without the church could nor exist

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

The form of your questions suggests to me that you have some "private interpretation" about a number of doctrinal matters.

What would some of those doctrinial matters be according to your understanding?

That's interesting, when a person suggests another opinion, why would that opinion be considered a private interpretation. Since when used in a biblical sense according to a faith that is subject to hearing God, the word interpretation means loosening, unloosening ,as used one time, when connected to the word private, coming from a Greek word ( epilusis), while other times the word interpretation means to explain in words, expound, coming from a Greek word (hermeneuo) where I believe we get our word hermeneutics, the science used to study the word of God, according to the commandment to do so.

I am not claiming any new revelations, which I would consider loosening from the mind of God that I believe would violate the law given in the book of Revelation 22, to not add or subtract from His perfect/complete law. A private interpretation would be one I believe that would be an opinion that claims thus sayeth the Lord when the lord has not spoken, as a new loosening.

Do you attend a named church in Milwaukee I might recognize?

I presently do not belong to any particular heresy/sect but am praying about it and would appreciate the prayers of others.

I did attend a fellowship that is identified as the Plymouth Brethren for approx 25 years, where I believe I was awoken from the dead, in Adam. As prior I was an Atheist, not searching for God but a different way of life, looking for a different type of environment for my children, in hope they would not come to the same state of confusion I believed I was in. My goal was to bring them to Sunday school while I stomached it out in the adult section, which came from a reasoning based on my parents sent us to Sunday school but did not attend.

But because of faith issues involving a few things such as dispensationalism and how that effects the cohesiveness between Old Testament saints and New, it has effected our relationship which is now strained.