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Garee, I said, as an answer to your question of what is the mother of all opinions, that the word of God is the final authority and not a record of God's
opinion but His objective stand on everything, regardless of what our human opinions on XYZ might be. You conveniently cut that part out. But that's no
surprise. And, btw, the truth is built upon our living God, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the WORD of God.
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BrianT |
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I've updated the Rules page ( http://www.kjv-only.com/bvdb/rules.html ) to include a paragraph about
the Creeds. I sent an email to Scott and Joseph about this on Saturday, but haven't heard anything back. I'm now opening up the feedback to the entire
board, so let me know if you have comments or questions, and further tweaks may be implemented.
Brian
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Garee, I said, as an answer to your question of what is the mother of all opinions, that the word of God is the final authority and not a record of God's
opinion but His objective stand on everything, regardless of what our human opinions on XYZ might be.
I agree that was the point I also was trying to make,the truth is built upon our living God, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the word of God.,not the sects that make up the church, which can error and does error . |
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SAWBONES |
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Feedback:
Looks very good; not too much, just quite clear and welcoming, and with the Creeds even provided via link (and laid out in outline form, bullet-pointed, to boot!). Thanks for your labor, BrianT. "Good job!", as my wife says. |
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Decalogue |
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SAWBONES wrote:Well said Sawbones. BrianT: The links to the 3 main creeds are a good idea... as it seems that (after reading this whole Thread) some folks just don't "get-it". If a person cannot agree with the 3 main creeds of Christianity, then the odd-man-out is the problem ... NOT the rest of the group. { Kinda sorta like a vegetarian going into a Steak restaurant and then complaining about the food on other tables. } Being one of the newer posters here, I hope that this Thread/discussion was not caused by my posts/entries. Just a thought BrianT ( and the other Mods.) : At another site (secular- profit/advertising driven ) that I have been at since '05, the Mods. have a system where they post a warning to the offender... if not heeded, and it is said/done again, the person gets a 10 day suspension ...then a 30 day ... and one guy got a 120 day suspension. Then some folks get Banned ...sometimes after one day on the site. Spamming , and real bad behaviour/death threats, etc.. Some folks are rude and crude and figure that if they are behind a keyboard/monitar then they can post anything they want. While reading several of the posts and some of the "dog-chasing-his-tail" replies of a few folks... I did a little Googling here on this information super-highway. Amazing --- a couple of letters entered into a search engine... and shazzaaammm! Sargeant Carter http://www.carm.org/apologetics/heresies ... and with several listings of more examples of Heresy and heretical teachings: http://www.carm.org/apologetics/heresies/heresy
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"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand for ever!" Isaiah 40:8 |
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... and with several listings of more examples of Heresy and heretical teachings: The word heresy simply means an opinion or choice as a prerogative, those examples you gave of damnable opinions I agree with according to my opinion, because they do deny Christ. As we are to test the spirits, by the same spirit of faith, as it is written ....to see if they are of another authority. No one is saying that some opinions, do not deny Christ, making them damnable heresies, but there is a difference between those that deny Christ and those which confirm the words of Christ, as the foundation and pillar of absolute truth.. If all heresies/opinions were damnable, then these creeds that could reflect and confirm the word of Christ, would also be damnable. 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. |
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Scott McClare |
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The word heresy simply means an opinion or choice as a prerogative
You don't get to choose the working definition around here.
Take care,
Scott Gutless and Spineless Person #3 Whiny Crybaby Moderator, Bible Versions Discussion Board -- Scott A. McClare, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mcclare@ncf.ca * ICQ #24034503 * AIM RansomOttawa ![]() Stepping Right Up to the KJV-only Sideshow since 2001 |
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Scott McClare |
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Decalogue said (and a belated welcome, BTW!):
Being one of the newer posters here, I hope that this Thread/discussion was not caused by my posts/entries. Don't worry about that. This is actually the fallout from something that has been going on here for some time; you just happened to step into the middle of it. For some reason, occasionally we get waves of people whose opinions are a little "out there," and while we don't ban fringe opinions per se, for one reason or another, we haven't had the mechanism to deal with bona fide heretical statements, until now.
Take care,
Scott Gutless and Spineless Person #3 Whiny Crybaby Moderator, Bible Versions Discussion Board -- Scott A. McClare, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada mcclare@ncf.ca * ICQ #24034503 * AIM RansomOttawa ![]() Stepping Right Up to the KJV-only Sideshow since 2001 |
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What do "STOP" signs mean ...? | ||
Scott McClare wrote: It is somewhat scary to think that people are driving automobiles that have alternate definitions for words ... words like: STOP / Yield / RxR crossing / etc., could be a real challenge for some folks. Thanks for the welcome Scott. BTW --- Ran across an extreme "dispy" who not only would not agree with the 3 main creeds of Christianity ... He even rejects the precious words of The Lord Jesus as written down in the 4 Gospels....
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"The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand for ever!" Isaiah 40:8 |
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That's not my aim at all; my goal is the honor the faith of Christ, by the same spirit of faith, as it is written. I am not trying to change the definition, only establish it, by comparing the spiritual words of Christ, to the spiritual words of Christ, as we are commanded to do. It's your board, you can work to find another definition that is more suitable to your taste, that your prerogative as a moderator, but to expect no dissensions arising from diversity of opinions and aims ? ? Is the word "sect"(hairesis) paraphrased incorrectly and the movement in perhaps the third century to change it from a prerogative/choice to a law making, them who annulled the meaning, the mother of all opinions, a God honoring decision? Those in a position of power routinely use their power/authority of defining heresy against those who challenge their authority, sometimes all the way to murder and war. You can see that kind working and annulling of laws in history through out history, as it happened in the first century reformation it repeated itself in the fifteenth . And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. Act 9:1 History repeats itself because the nature of natural man does not change unless the Spirit of Christ, through the faith of Christ softens the heart of man making that a possibility, according to my opinion.
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SAWBONES |
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garee, you seem to be continually fussing over some "private interpretation" of your own about something which is less than plainly or fully stated.
Will you answer this question: Can you affirm any or all of the Creeds as stated, or not? |
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garee, you seem to be continually fussing over some "private interpretation" of your own about something which is less than plainly or fully stated. A private interpretation, or a interpretation loosed from the word of God, as an accurate definition, which you refuse to acknowledge, for some reason or other? Scripture gives a very plain and clearly definition of the word heresy(opinion), to include the definition of a damnable heresy, as an opinion that denies Christ by putting ones trust in men ,and not the word of God as the pillar and foundation of absolute truth.. Will you answer this question: Can you affirm any or all of the Creeds as stated, or not? Not sure what creeds you are referring to? We can agree with creeds, but creeds are not laws, but are merely a summary of the perfect law of God. In the end of the matter they have no authority to produce a work of faith, according to the faith of Christ, which can help us decide which group of orthodoxy is in accordance with the word of God. By the Apostle's creed the Catholic Church condemned other Christians according to their orthodoxy. Creeds are more like rough drafts; of themselves they cannot be rightly divided, giving absolute truth as its foundation. For instance I agree with the some creeds, but it does not define which sect a person comes from, and if they have another authority in respect to the faith
of Christ, as the same spirit of faith, as that in which scripture is written by. The gospel of Christ is defined by the words of Christ; we did not receive
inspired creeds, as the final authority and leave the defining of those creeds to men as a higher authority.
Because of its early origin, the Apostles creed does not address some Christian issues defined in the later Nicene and other Christian Creeds, and they are of no value when discussing dispensational view points, or eschatology issues, or how we arrive at a proper hermeneutics that could please God, as walking together, as two with God.
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"Not sure what creeds you are referring to?"
http://www.kjv-only.com/bvdb/creeds.html "The gospel of Christ is defined by the words of Christ; we did not receive inspired creeds, as the final authority and leave the defining of those creeds to men as a higher authority." True, but the words of Christ are interpreted many different ways by many different people. Those creeds give what is the standard interpretation of the basic doctrines by orthodox Christianity, and thus for this board. If you find yourself in disagreement with those creeds or how this discussion board uses the term "heresy", perhaps this is not the board for you.
Brian
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garee wrote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lotsa superfluous blather and obfuscation there. So it seems your answer is "no"? |
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77: Had this been sworn testimony, I would have to assume a contempt charge would have been issued from the bench already...
"Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one of a good
one ... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principle good one, not justly to be expected against; that hath been our endeavor, that
our mark."
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garee |
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Those creeds give what is the standard interpretation of the basic doctrines by orthodox Christianity, and thus for this board.I agree, that would make a good foundation. |
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garee wrote:------------------------------------------------------------- But do you agree with what all the creeds say, in all particulars? That's the question. If not, what specifically do you disagree with? |
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But do you agree with what all the creeds say, in all particulars?Again, I agree they make a good outline, but acording to whose particular aims and orthodoxy, as a body of men following their own tenets, cannot be ignored, as to a possible wrong conclusion to the matter. For instance, I believe according to Jehovah Witnesses they would agree with a creed, as a way to worm into to your house, with another gospel giving the devil a foothold. If not, what specifically do you disagree with?I agree that creeds are specifically designed as a outline and agree with that outline in most cases, depending on the creed. |
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mko |
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You didn't answer the specific question asked.
"Things don't happen together by coincidence, without the hand of God guiding them. Like, say, your ex-girlfriend hunting you down for a date the
minute you give up on love, with an eye on the altar."
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BrianT |
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mko is correct garee, you completely sidestepped the questions.
Brian
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