is this antisemitic, to say the Bible opposes today's State of Israel?

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amarillo	is this antisemitic, to say the Bible opposes today's State of Israel?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 3079 (03/25/2009 19:08:20) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None the sermon begins around 3:12 ... "forbidden according to God and according to the Torah ... since the destruction of the Temple ... we are forbidden by God to have our own entity, our own sovereignty." interestingly, these NK Jews don't simply cite the Abrahamic Covenant like many Zionist Evangelicals n Charismatics do; they seem to deal with other commands against willful nationalism as well. so, um, is it possible for Jews, ostensibly practising Jews, to be antisemitic? and is it possible for Arabs/Palestinians, who are Semites also, to be antisemitic? Joseph Ng "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89 KJB
SAWBONES		#1	[-]
Posts: 74 (03/26/2009 06:25:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	As I see it, the issue isn't really one of anti-semitism, but the fact that the modern definition of being "Jewish" can encompass quite a few quite different things, even up to and including atheism. The definition can certainly include aspects of Zionism and still be Jewish, and it can certainly also include anti-Zionist feeling and still be Jewish, so long as some other aspect of Jewishness is present. Ethnicity, several forms of religious belief and heritage all enter into the definition.
77		#2	[-]
Posts: 304 (03/28/2009 18:33:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	amarillo: "so, um, is it possible for Jews, ostensibly practising Jews, to be antisemitic? and is it possible for Arabs/Palestinians, who are Semites also, to be antisemitic?" 77: It would appear that it is possible for these Jews to be anti-Zionist. I would guess that they are about as welcome in Israel as a certain kind of white American is that advocates for giving all the land back to the Indians right now is here. As for the so-called Palestinians, given that they lob rockets into civilian neighborhoods, use their women, children, aged, and wounded as human shields, send their youths off on suicide bombing missions, take hostages and the like - yes, it is possible for the "Palestinians" to be antisemitic. "Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one of a good one ... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principle good one, not justly to be expected against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark."
jerryrose		#3	[-]
Posts: 288 (05/19/2009 16:24:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Bible is anti-man, for man is wicked. The Bible is anti-sinner, that includes anti-world, anti-semitic, anti-black, anti-white, and anti-anything else of this world. We are of Christ, the Bible is pro-Christ, so have joy in that.
jerryrose		#4	[-]
Posts: 289 (05/19/2009 16:26:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Like it or not, if you love the Truth, you will hate the world. Not because of any other reason than "Friendship of the world is enmity with God." James 4:4. The world is in a great lie, to love the world is to love a lie.
BrianT		#5	[-]
Posts: 1753 (05/19/2009 17:05:34) ezOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Brian
Armchair Scholar		#6	[-]
Posts: 949 (05/20/2009 08:24:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	And "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
SAWBONES		#7	[-]
Posts: 160 (05/20/2009 08:50:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Notice that the KJVOs and others of their ilk always seem to want to use Scripture to "scold" others.
amarillo		#8	[-]
Posts: 3170 (05/20/2009 11:55:45) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SAWBONES wrote: Notice that the KJVOs and others of their ilk always seem to want to use Scripture to "scold" others. hope i don't havta include myself when i point out that those may be the same Scriptures "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." Joseph Ng "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89 KJB
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Posts: 467 (05/23/2009 12:40:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	amarillo wrote: SAWBONES wrote: Notice that the KJVOs and others of their ilk always seem to want to use Scripture to "scold" others. hope i don't havta include myself when i point out that those may be the same Scriptures "in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 77: The odds of having to include yourself in that point are lowered by several orders of magnitude by the simple expedient of refusing the temptation of coming to a rash conclusion, based on a single verse, or couple of verses - entirely without context. "Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought from the beginning, that we should need to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one of a good one ... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principle good one, not justly to be expected against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark."
amarillo		#10	[-]
Posts: 3177 (05/23/2009 13:40:07) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	77 wrote: 77: The odds of having to include yourself in that point are lowered by several orders of magnitude by the simple expedient of refusing the temptation of coming to a rash conclusion, based on a single verse, or couple of verses - entirely without context. Thx, 77. comforting words, indeed! just had to share this gt National Geographic article highlighting the plight of Arab Christians squished between Zionism on the one hand and Islamic militancy on the other: Native Christians Arab Christians are a vital link between the Christian West and the Arab Muslim World. See Ed Kashi's photos from the story. Video A Photographer's Journey Ed Kashi travels to Syria, Lebanon, and the Holy Land to see how Christians in the region live as a dwindling population. Published: June 2009 Arab Christians The Forgotten Faithful Followers of Jesus for nearly 2,000 years, native Christians today are disappearing from the land where their faith was born. By Don Belt Photograph by Ed Kashi Easter in Jerusalem is not for the faint of heart. The Old City, livid and chaotic in the calmest of times, seems to come completely unhinged in the days leading up to the holiday. By the tens of thousands, Christians from all over the world pour in like a conquering horde, surging down the Via Dolorosa's narrow streets and ancient alleyways, seeking communion in the cold stones or some glimmer, perhaps, of the agonies Jesus endured in his final hours. Every face on Earth seems to float through the streets during Easter, every possible combination of eye and hair and skin color, every costume and style of dress, from blue-black African Christians in eye-popping dashikis to pale Finnish Christians dressed as Jesus with a bloody crown of thorns to American Christians in sneakers and "I [heart] Israel" caps, clearly stoked for the battle of Armageddon. ... check out the rest at the website! or just leave them to a slow, or else early, death at the hand of John Hagee, Charles McVety, Benny Hinn, n their ayatollah counterparts. when they support those who trample on Christian brethren, one wonders if Galatians 6:10 means anything to them: ¹⁰Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers. PS: check out this video vignette on Bethlehem 2007. Joseph Ng "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Ps 119:89 KJB Last Edited By: amarillo 05/23/2009 14:02:20. Edited 3 times.
jerryrose		#11	[-]
Posts: 324 (06/06/2009 10:12:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	SAWBONES wrote: Notice that the KJVOs and others of their ilk always seem to want to use Scripture to "scold" others. I am not scolding anybody Sawbones. That reference to John 3:16-17 is true. However, God so loved---past tense. God has done all he will for the world in that he gave his only begotten Son. However, we are not God, and he told us not to love the world. "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." 1 John 2:15 We are to love the brethren of Christ, those that hear his voice and follow.
BrianT		#12	[-]
Posts: 1817 (06/06/2009 13:00:37) ezOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: Brian
jerryrose		#13	[-]
Posts: 360 (06/07/2009 15:15:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hmm... good post BrianT. So what are your thoughts on 1 John 2:15 and James 4:4? Honest question, promise.
BrianT		#14	[-]
Posts: 1834 (06/07/2009 19:05:07) ezOP Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"the world" in those verses means the sinful ways of the world, not people. The next verses indicates what is being talked about: "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." Brian
garee		#15	[-]
Posts: 57 (06/09/2009 05:03:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	the world" in those verses means the sinful ways of the world, not people. By the sinful ways of the people, our living God, Christ Jesus cursed the generation of Adam (human race) or we could say the whole world to include every living thing of this first creation. In the book of Psalms the Spirit of Christ reveals that God hates all workers of iniquity, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The whole world is term in regard to natural man, spiritual dead in His trespasses and sin, without hope and without the Spirit of Christ. Those who have been born again by the Spirit of Christ, will not be deceived by the spirit of the anti Christ. They, as many that have been given the authority /power to become a new creation as the children of God, alone have passed from death to eternal life as a new creation, created in Christ, of Christ. As a result of Christ's work of faith, labor of Love the devil was cast out of heaven to continue his work of deceiving the whole world. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Last Edited By: garee 06/10/2009 06:30:34. Edited 1 times.