say the editors of Christianity Today, www.christianitytoday.com...31.34.html
wld like to hear ur views here.
also, if u cld, lock ur votes in at the Singapore Christian Forum:
forums.delphiforums.com/laksa/messages
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amarillo |
Vote: Shd Christians Participate in Interfaith Svs? |
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"Christian leaders attending interfaith services can bear witness to Christ in the hope that some will respond to Jesus' claims of being God incarnate. That does not mean every prayer must contain our essential doctrines, or that a minister must turn an invocation into a sermon. Nevertheless, in some situations, we can and must explicitly witness to the truth and uniqueness of the gospel by speaking of Jesus and his claims."
say the editors of Christianity Today, www.christianitytoday.com...31.34.html wld like to hear ur views here. also, if u cld, lock ur votes in at the Singapore Christian Forum: forums.delphiforums.com/laksa/messages Joseph Ng"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."Ps 119:89 KJB
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Psm37 37a KJV |
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This is an area where one needs to walk a fine line. I remember a missionary to the Mormons complain that the Moral Majority movement made it hard to witness to Mormons because it seemed to give them legitimacy. "See, you guys are just like us." We must be careful not to give people the impression that Christianity is just another choice among many good choices. Where to draw the line? I am uncertain. Not too many years ago I would have answered a definite "No" to your question. Now I am not quite so sure.
Sorry, I didn't really answer your question, but hopefully I have given some food for thought. ####################################
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Warrior of the Sword |
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I vote (and voted) NO because any other vote would violate the commands found in the word of God.
"Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK THEM which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID THEM. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-18 ). Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord." (2 Corinthians 6:17) "From such turn away" (2 Timothy 3:5). "Withdraw yourselves." (2 Thessalonians 3:6) "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." (Ephesians 5:11) As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE" (1 Timothy 1:3). "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, THE SAME commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2 Timothy 2:2). "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him" (2 Cor. 11:3,4). "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. WHOSOEVER TRANSGRESSETH, AND ABIDETH NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son" (2 John 7-9). "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort YOU THAT YE SHOULD EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3). |
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Warrior of the Sword |
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Pslam, can you explain your view in greater detail please?
I don't see how you can hold to it. |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
Read my post again... | ||
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...It is something I am struggling with, so in a sense I am not "holding" a view at all. What exactly in my ramblings gives you trouble?
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Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
Is it wrong to work at a secular job... | ||
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...where there are unsaved? Is it wrong to eat lunch with a Mormon? Where do you draw the line? Are we to live in Christian communes like the Hutterites?
I have (very tentatively) drawn my line in a little different place than you. God calls us to be salt and light in the world. But salt does no good unless it has contact with the food; light does no good unless it goes into the dark room to dispell the darkness. We certainly cannot win the world by locking ourselves up in our church buildings (so to speak) and having no contact with the world at all. John 17:15; Acts 14:1; 17:1,10 ####################################
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Methodist Militant |
Just curious, Sword... | ||
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Not that I wholly disagree with what you said, but should you separate from us scummy Methodists? If so, why?
Mark 16:19
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Stevie |
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I agree with Warrior. I would have to say no. We have doctrinal issues that we believe in. And our fellowship in services should be with those of like minds. I am immersionist, I see no gray area in that doctrine. Others may see a gray area. How can I worship in a place that denounces a fundamental doctrine that I believe in. I can not.
Now, I am NOT saying a particular denomination is unsaved because of such differences. I have a lot of brothers and sister in many many denominations. Some of their practices and beliefs I disagree with and I believe they are in error. But many of them are brothers and sister never-the-less. Now of course, I am speaking of main stream Christian denominations not christian-cults or non-Christian. But I do say that services should be with those of like minds. Another thing which I think Warrior was trying to address is that these services typically include christian-cults or non-Christian groups. stevie |
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Stevie |
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"Is it wrong to eat lunch with a Mormon? Where do you draw the line?"
There's a world of difference between sharing a ham sandwich with a mormon and bowing your head to a anti-christ's prayer to a false god. We don't turn in our bibles for the sake of unity. stevie |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
Case in Point: Billy Graham and Post 9-11 | ||
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If I were a preacher who was invited to an inter-faith service as Billy Graham was after 9-11, I would go. The only stipulation would be that I woudl not have to sensor the Gospel message. Was it wrong for Billy Graham to go to this event? I think not.
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Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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amarillo |
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um, what did Billy do there?
did he censor the gospel? or perhaps said something foolish, like he sees no evidence for the disappearance of the Twin Towers? Joseph Ng"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."Ps 119:89 KJB
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Psm37 37a KJV |
You be the judge... Link to the message | ||
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Message that Billy Graham gave at the National Day of Prayer and Remembrance: www.billygraham.org/newse...essage.asp
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Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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amarillo |
VOTE update: 7-1-0 | ||
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this is encouraging, but perhaps it's because it's mainly evangelicals participating.
but the vote is 7 naysayers, 1 dunnosayer, n no yeasayers at all! if u haven't cast ur vote, the booth is over at: forums.delphiforums.com/l...?msg=306.1 Joseph Ng"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."Ps 119:89 KJB
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Psm37 37a KJV |
No write-ins allowed? | ||
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I want to vote "sometimes, with qualifications".
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Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Warrior of the Sword |
Re: Read my post again... | ||
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I guess before i really can I have a problem with what you posted, I should first seek to see if you claim to Love God and follow Him.
If you answer yes to both the above, the there is only one obvious answer that can be given to the question at the begining of this thread, and that is a loud, resounding, obedient to God, NO. |
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Warrior of the Sword |
Re: Case in Point: Billy Graham and Post 9-11 | ||
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" If I were a preacher who was invited to an inter-faith service as Billy Graham was after 9-11, I would go. The only stipulation would be that I woudl not have to sensor the Gospel message. Was it wrong for Billy Graham to go to this event? I think not."
Too bad Mr Graham doesn't share your same concern for the Gospel. Billy graham is a 1st class heretick and an avid promoter of a false gospel that is sending people, not to Heaven, but keeping them on the raod to hell. Graham has done countless damage to people, and I would hate to be in his shoes when he meets his maker. For the record, Grahams false gospel of "asking Jesus into your heart" (can be located on his web page) is 100% false and is another Gospel. Let Billy Graham be accursed. |
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Warrior of the Sword |
Re: Just curious, Sword... | ||
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Well Evan,
I don't worship with Methodists, I don't attend prayer meetings with them. I don't work with them in the work of the Ministry. Looks like I have seperated. |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
obvious to you | ||
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I think you have been around here long enough to know I love God and His Word. But the whole issue, it seems to me, is much more complicated than you make it. Or can you show me a verse that says, "Thou shalt never attend or partake in an interfaith service."?
Read the following verses and explain to me how they fit into your little legalistic box you want to shove us into: (KJV) John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. (KJV) Acts 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. (KJV) Acts 17: 1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. ... 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. ####################################
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
accusing people of a false gospel.... | ||
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...is grounds to get you banned here.
Billy Graham does not give invitations with words to that effect. He asks people to come forward, and responders are dealt with carefully from the scriptures. ####################################
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Psm37 37a KJV |
Someday.... | ||
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...God will beat your sword into a plowshare. You better get along with MM now because you will be spending eternity together.
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Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV) |
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Kristi |
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Have you read the posts that I've done explaining why the "ask Jesus into your heart prayer" is not necessarily a "false gospel"?
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