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 Kristi |
NEWBIES TO THIS FORUM MUST READ THIS BEFORE POSTING |
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Posts: 3769 (07/03/2002 12:49:16) Registered User |
If you are new to our board and would like to post in our KJO forum, please take the time to read this page first:
For Newcomers to BVDB: King James Onlyism Topics That Have Been Discussed Before in our KJO Forum Thanks. Message Edited to Bump it to the Top :o) |
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BrianT |
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Posts: 2080 (07/03/2002 13:10:25) ezOP |
Kristi, we *really* need to get that FAQ going. If done right, it would be one of the best resources on KJVOism on the net, as well as save you mods some much-repeated aggravation.
We could divide it up among a few of us, to get it started faster (of course, we can always help each other with info). I'd be more than willing to tackle the W/H section. Brian |
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BrianT |
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Posts: 2080 (07/03/2002 13:21:15) ezOP |
Kristi,
I'll draw up a draft outline for the FAQ during the next couple days, and send it to you guys for suggestions. Brian |
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Kristi |
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Posts: 3769 (07/03/2002 13:22:07) Registered User |
Yes, I've been wanting to get that FAQs site finished forever ... I need to e mail you about that, because I want to say something that I don't want to be made public at this time.
Anyway. I don't mind newbies showing up here per se, but I had a genuine feeling (and his IP range was matching that of previous troublemakers) that this one guy was acting stupid on purpose to troll us -- I mean, asking us if we've ever heard of W and H???? C'mon! Why not ask us if we've ever heard of the Bible? Or Jesus? Or God? I know Scott disagreed with me about this loadedman person, and he probably thinks I've gone nuts :o) I'll e-mail you in a few minutes. |
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Kristi |
Did we ever send you the URL to the FAQs site? | ||
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Posts: 3769 (07/03/2002 13:23:40) Registered User |
Brian, I acutally began work on a FAQs site a few months ago. Scott and I wrote a few articles already and those are posted. Did we ever send you the URL to that site? If not, I can mail it to you -- I really don't want to publicize the site until it's done or almost done :o)
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BrianT |
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Posts: 2080 (07/03/2002 13:27:25) ezOP |
> I'll e-mail you in a few minutes.
Cool.  Yes, I must have missed that email with the FAQ link. Or forgot about it. 
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Kristi |
Okay, Just Mailed You: My Virtual Add.Down, Using Hotmail | ||
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Posts: 3769 (07/03/2002 13:41:12) Registered User |
My stupid virtual-mail account -- which is usually reliable -- has been flakey (sometimes works sometimes doesn't) the past couple of days, so I used my gromit58@hotmail.com address to e-mail you.
The minute my virtual mail account works consistently again, I'll go back to that-- you don't get any spam with virtual-mail |
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Scott McClare |
Re: NEWBIES TO THIS FORUM MUST READ THIS BEFORE POSTING | ||
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Posts: 3343 (07/05/2002 12:37:44) |
We could divide it up among a few of us, to get it started faster (of course, we can always help each other with info). I'd be more than willing to tackle the W/H section.
If Brian is willing to tackle the W+H section, which could be a chore in itself, I can start filling in some of the remaining "personalities" on the list. (Somewhere I have a FAQ-in-the-works for Stephanus, for example, left over from the last time we wanted to get into this FAQ.) I think it was my idea to include about 3/4 of those particular people anyway, so I might as well take responsibility for my own monster.
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BrianT |
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Posts: 2080 (07/05/2002 16:34:05) ezOP |
I'd also like to see the Erasmus section tackled. A lot of finger-pointing takes place towards W&H because they are behind the Greek text "responsible for the modern versions". I think some details on the man behind the Greek text "responsible for the KJV" would make it easier to illuminate the double standard.
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greenbranch |
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Posts: 2838 (07/05/2002 21:30:15) Registered User |
I think some details on the man behind the Greek text "responsible for the KJV" would make it easier to illuminate the double standard.
The problem with that is, anything negative on Erasmus is passed off as Catholic propaganda. |
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greenbranch |
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Posts: 2838 (07/05/2002 21:32:56) Registered User |
If newbies aren't supposed to bring up anything we have already discussed before, what can they bring up? Are there any aspects of the KJV vs modern translations that we have not already discussed?
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Kristi |
Submitting Articles to KJO FAQs Site | ||
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Posts: 3769 (07/06/2002 13:38:37) Registered User |
I'm not sure, but I think I already did the "Gail Riplinger" page-- if so, sorry about that. I should've left her for you, Scott, since I know what a big fan you are ;0)
I've tried to keep my submissions informative but concise, which isn't easy for me. I could spend page after page after page on some KJO-related topics, but I'm trying to keep in mind that the people who will be reading the FAQs stuff, the ones who it's really intended for, are those who are new to the subject and they probably wouldn't bother reading an in-depth expose on anyone or anything. Also, if you all notice that I've gotten some information wrong, or maybe you think I should've added something that I did not, please let me know, and I can include it. For instance, you all may look at the Riplinger thing I wrote and notice that I forgot to mention -- say the fact that she doesn't know Greek or Hebrew-- you could ask me to put that in. |
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Kristi |
It's Not a List of Forbidden Topics; Serves Diff. Purpose | ||
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Posts: 3769 (07/06/2002 13:47:11) Registered User |
It's not that they are not allowed to discuss topics on the list I posted, but I don't appreciate someone new to the forum-- a forum which has been here for a few YEARS, with particpants, both pro- and non- KJO, who've been involved with this issue for YEARS, to come on and act as though we know nothing.
I believe the poster in question asked something like, "Anyone here ever heard of Westcott and Hort?," which is, IMO, as moronic and arrogant as going on to a German-shepherd themed board and asking people, "Anyone here ever heard of dogs before?" Some trolls start out making trouble by deliberately acting stupid, by asking the obvious. It is my opinion that this latest newbie was a troll, but others here at BVDB don't see it that way. It's also frustrating, IMO, to repeatedly have to answer and re-answer the same questions and challenges (especially when the new poster can go to the archives and see my answers). One of the most frequent questions invovled the finding of Codex Siniaticus, however it's spelled. :o) Just how many times do we have to re-answer that old chestnut?? We have archives for a purpose, and I don't understand why a newcomer wouldn't take the time to skim them over, or use google.com to see if we've already discussed something. I just don't want to keep re-living "Introduction to King James Onlyism 101" every week! |
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greenbranch |
Re: It's Not a List of Forbidden Topics; Serves Diff. Purpos | ||
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Posts: 2838 (07/06/2002 22:02:04) Registered User |
I know it can get tiring to keep dealing with things over and over again. Especially as long as you have been doing it. But, I am concerned that most will think they are not to discuss any topic from that long list. And, the list is long, I never got to the bottom of it!
It also is pretty hard to get through all the archives. I read through some of them, as I had time, but there the percentage of what I have not read is higher than what I have read. For once, I agree with you, I have an idea that that guy was here to cause trouble. I don't necessarily think he was a troll, just seemed to me to be one of those KJVOs who likes to think he is so superior to us poor simpleton scholars. I have said before that certain people from both sides seem to like to go to boards of the other side and stir things up until they get banned. Then they can come back to their own site and brag how they got banned. If he was one of those, you fell into his trap. I think the idea of a FAQ page is a good idea, but I doubt it will do much to stop trolls and other people who come here to try to rile us. I understand the need for brief answers for the FAQs, but I was wondering, how about within those answers eventually putting in a link to a fuller article on that topic? Is that doable? Course, that would take a long time to get done. But, I think it would be a nice resource. |
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Kristi |
FAQs Site/List | ||
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Posts: 3769 (07/07/2002 15:46:45) Registered User |
but I was wondering, how about within those answers eventually putting in a link to a fuller article on that topic?
Some of the articles that have been written for our FAQs site already have links directing the user to additional information. But, I am concerned that most will think they are not to discuss any topic from that long list. And, the list is long, I never got to the bottom of it I alphabetized the list, so that, say, if a person wanted to ask us if we've every heard of Westcott, all they have to do is scroll down to the "W" section. but I doubt it will do much to stop trolls and other people who come here to try to rile us. Let me put it to you this way. The list prevents trolls from using a certain trolling technique -- acting clueless, namely -- at least to an extent. The FAQs list will be especially beneficial in thie regard, plus it will be convenient, in that we won't have to keep answering the same questions over and over and over, we can just point a person to the FAQs site, and if they have a concern that is not addressed in the FAQs article we point them to, they can come back on the board and discuss whatever it may be. |
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Scott McClare |
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Posts: 3343 (07/08/2002 06:58:25) |
I'm not sure, but I think I already did the "Gail Riplinger" page-- if so, sorry about that. I should've left her for you, Scott, since I know what a big fan you are ;0)
Well, it wasn't one of mine but I think you actually had that one done before I volunteered for anything. Also, if you all notice that I've gotten some information wrong . . . [re: Riplinger] I did note a few places where you weren't inaccurate but your text could be helped with a few extra details. I'll send them round when I get around to it. Take care,
Scott Scott A. McClare, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Scott McClare |
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Posts: 3343 (07/08/2002 07:09:53) |
I'm with Kristi on this one, at least to an extent.
The F in "FAQ" does, after all, stand for "frequently" - and the original purpose of FAQs on the Internet was exactly what she has in mind: to reduce bandwidth by offloading a lot of the responsibility for answering the same old questions over and over again. The best example of this that I know of is the FAQ for the Usenet newsgroup alt.folklore.urban, a which deals with urban legends, of which there are a gazillion. Their FAQ is comprehensive, well-organized, gives immediate information on whether any given rumour is true or false, and actually does cut down on the amount of traffic on the newsgroup, once people know it's out there. My vision for a KJV-only FAQ would be something similar: a discussion of some of the personalities, key arguments, problem texts, and so forth that we can point to and say "Just read this." That would free up the forum traffic for new arguments (such as the Col. 1:24 one I posted last week) and discussion of the merits of the FAQ entries, which is a completely different animal from recurring "Codex Aleph was found in a trash can" threads, and so forth. Take care,
Scott Scott A. McClare, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Randy S |
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Posts: 226 (07/08/2002 18:55:01) |
BrianT, Scott, Kristi,
The suggested FAQ's about personalities involved in can be a major contribution to the debate. I am sending each of you some private email about this. Randy |
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greenbranch |
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Posts: 2838 (07/08/2002 22:27:21) Registered User |
Don't get me wrong. I think the FAQ page is a great idea, and I thought so when it was first brought up months ago.
I don't like the idea of a link telling newbies to read the page first or one of the moderators will be irate. It is daunting to a sincere seeker, because it gives the impression that these things are not to be brought up since we have already discussed them; and I don't think it will do a thing to stop any trolls. |
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