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Psm37 37a KJV	Robert Bowman on KJV-Onlyism	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1015 (12/20/2001 07:59:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Check out the source of my latest signature. www.atlantaapologist.org/kjv.html #################################### In the history of Christianity only two other versions of the Bible have ever been treated as the Bible, and even in these two cases not to the exclusion of other language versions. But those two versions were the Greek Septuagint (OT) and the Latin Vulgate, both of which (especially the latter) are typically rejected by KJV-Only advocates as perversions of the Bible. The Vulgate was treated as the only valid Bible for centuries by the Roman Catholic church in order to maintain uniformity in Bible reading and interpretation. Yet KJV-only advocates commonly regard the Septuagint and the Vulgate texts as false versions or "perversions" of the Bible. To be consistent, then, they must maintain that for over half of church history (over a thousand years) there was no Bible available to anyone outside a tiny number of scholars (if to anyone at all). In Protestantism the belief that the Bible may exist in multiple versions even in the same language has freed the Bible from the monopolistic control of the clergy or the theologians. Robert M. Bowman, Jr., When the Bible Becomes an Idol: Problems with the KJV-Only Doctrine http://www.atlantaapologist.org/kjv.html
DocCas	Re: Robert Bowman on KJV-Onlyism	#1	[-]
Posts: 146 (12/20/2001 10:16:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The only problem with Mr. Bowman's theory is that the entire Eastern Church used the Byzantine Text as their bible. I will be the first to add the OT was, indeed, a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT, which some people (erroneously) call the Septuagint, but the NT was the Byzantine text, not the Vulgate. :)
Psm37 37a KJV	Re: Robert Bowman on KJV-Onlyism	#2	[-]
Posts: 1015 (12/21/2001 08:43:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why do you say that the Greek OT is "erroneously" called the Septuagint? I have seen some of the Septuagint "bashing", but don't know too much about it. Details, please. I must agree that we tend to think too much from a western perspecive. Why was it then that only the east had access to the uncorrupted truth? They surely did not put it to good use since their theology was just about as twisted as the west's. #################################### In the history of Christianity only two other versions of the Bible have ever been treated as the Bible, and even in these two cases not to the exclusion of other language versions. But those two versions were the Greek Septuagint (OT) and the Latin Vulgate, both of which (especially the latter) are typically rejected by KJV-Only advocates as perversions of the Bible. The Vulgate was treated as the only valid Bible for centuries by the Roman Catholic church in order to maintain uniformity in Bible reading and interpretation. Yet KJV-only advocates commonly regard the Septuagint and the Vulgate texts as false versions or "perversions" of the Bible. To be consistent, then, they must maintain that for over half of church history (over a thousand years) there was no Bible available to anyone outside a tiny number of scholars (if to anyone at all). In Protestantism the belief that the Bible may exist in multiple versions even in the same language has freed the Bible from the monopolistic control of the clergy or the theologians. Robert M. Bowman, Jr., When the Bible Becomes an Idol: Problems with the KJV-Only Doctrine http://www.atlantaapologist.org/kjv.html
DocCas	Re: Robert Bowman on KJV-Onlyism	#3	[-]
Posts: 146 (12/21/2001 09:52:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The term "septuagint" comes from the mythical "Letter of Aristeas" which is, on its very face, a hoax. I have no doubt at all there was a pre-Christian Greek translation of the OT, in fact there were probably several of them. But when we use the term "septuagint" or "LXX" we are giving tacit support to the "Letter of Aristeas" which is not only unvarified, but unvarifiable, and can be shown to be a myth. In my not entirely humble opinion, the eastern churches did remain faithful longer than the western church(es), but not much longer! We could ask ourselves the same question. There have been more bibles published in the US in the past century than in all the world in all ages combined. Why are we not a more godly nation? Never underestimate the perversity of human nature!
Psm37 37a KJV	Why do we want to know?	#4	[-]
Posts: 1015 (12/23/2001 07:02:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	We could solve the problem of what the original autographs said and still miss the whole point. It is not just what God has said that is important, but whether we will believe and obey what He says. As we continue to study and debate this issue, we need to all have more of what J. I. Packer called the "true Christmas spirit" -- the attitude Christ had when He entered this world -- the spirit of humility. Thus my new signature. I think I'll keep this one awhile. #################################### Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. and being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV)
Psm37 37a KJV	copyist error	#5	[-]
Posts: 1015 (12/23/2001 07:10:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Oops! scribal error in the signature. But it made no real doctrinal difference. I believe I have it corrected now. #################################### Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but inlowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. (Philippians 2:3-8NKJV) ...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross ... For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resited to bloodshed, striving against sin. (Hebrews 12:2-4NKJV)

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