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amarillo	One Test to Prove Scripture on Christmas Day	Lead	[-]
Posts: 3730 (12/24/2000 18:23:15) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Luke 2:14 is it. should God's peace n good will go generally n ecumenically "toward men"? or to those upon whom His favor rests? there's a subtil but critical difference: the 1st is an Ecumenical view. the 2nd is more Baptist. along these lines, can u go over the following n put "1" or "2" beside the version's name? __ NIV "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." __ KJB Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. __ NASB ""<1> Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men [1] <2> with whom He is pleased.'' 1.Lit of good pleasure; or of good will 1.Matt 21:9; Luke 19:38 2.Luke 3:22; Eph 1:9; Phil 2:13 __ RSV "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom he is pleased!" __ NIV formatted (NT only) (NIV-IBS) 14"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests." __ Darby 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good pleasure in men. __ Phillips 2:13-14 - And in a flash there appeared with the angel a vast host of the armies of Heaven, praising God, saying, "Glory to God in the highest Heaven! Peace upon earth among men of goodwill!" __ Young's Literal Translation 14 `Glory in the highest to God, and upon earth peace, among men -- good will.' __ Worldwide English (NT only) They said, `Praise God in the highest heaven! Peace on earth and loving mercy towards all people!' __ New King James Version "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!" __ NET Bible "Glory21 to God in the highest, and on earth peace among people22 with whom he is pleased!"23 21sn Glory here refers to giving honor to God. 22tn This is a generic use of a[nqrwpo" (anqrwpo") referring to both males and females. 23sn The idea of people with whom he is pleased alludes to those who are marked out by God as objects of his gracious favor. It is not a reference to every single person, so the phrase should not be translated "good will toward people." __ Webster's Bible Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will towards men. __ Douay Rheims Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will. __ ASV Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men in whom he is well pleased. __ WEYMOUTH (NT) "Glory be to God in the highest Heavens, And on earth peace among men who please Him!" __ BASIC ENGLISH BIBLE Glory to God in the highest, and on the earth peace among men with whom he is well pleased. __ CEBUANO "Himaya sa Dios sa kalangitan, ug sa yuta panagdait sa mga tawo nga iyang gikahimut-an." __ DANISH "re vre Gud i det hjeste! og Fred p Jorden! i Mennesker Velbehag! __ DUTCH STATEN VERTALING Ere zij God in de hoogste hemelen, en vrede op aarde, in de mensen een welbehagen. __ FINNISH "Kunnia Jumalalle korkeuksissa, ja maassa rauha ihmisten kesken, joita kohtaan hnell on hyv tahto!" __ FRENCH LOUIS II Gloire Dieu dans les lieux trs hauts, Et paix sur la terre parmi les hommes qu'il agre! __ FRENCH DARBY Gloire Dieu dans les lieux trs-hauts; et sur la terre, paix; et bon plaisir dans les hommes! __ FRENCH JERUSALEM " Gloire Dieu au plus haut des cieux et sur la terre paix aux hommes objets de sa complaisance!" __ GERMAN LUTHER Ehre sei Gott in der Hhe und Frieden auf Erden und den Menschen ein Wohlgefallen. __ INDONESIAN (TB) "Kemuliaan bagi Allah di tempat yang mahatinggi dan damai sejahtera di bumi di antara manusia yang berkenan kepada-Nya." __ INDONESIAN (TL) "Segala kemuliaan bagi Allah di tempat Yang Mahatinggi, dan sejahtera di atas bumi di antara orang yang diperkenan-Nya." __ INDONESIAN (BIS) "Terpujilah Allah di langit yang tertinggi! Dan di atas bumi, sejahteralah manusia yang menyenangkan hati Tuhan!" __ ITALIAN Gloria a Dio nel pi alto dei cieli e pace in terra agli uomini che egli ama. __ MAORI Kia whai kororia te Atua i runga rawa, kia mau te rongo ki runga ki te whenua, me te whakaaro pai ki nga tangata. __ PORTUGUESE Glria a Deus nas maiores alturas, e paz na terra entre os homens de boa vontade. __ RUMANIAN ,,Slavq lui Dumnezeu kn locurile prea knalte, wi pace pe pqmknt kntre oamenii plqcuyi Lui.'' __ SPANISH (RV) Gloria en las alturas Dios, Y en la tierra paz, buena voluntad para con los hombres. __ SPANISH LA AMERICAS Gloria a Dios en las alturas, y en la tierra paz entre los hombres en quienes El se complace. __ SPANISH SAGRADAS ESCRITURAS Gloria en las alturas a Dios, Y en la tierra paz, y en el hombre buena voluntad. __ SWEDISH ra vare Gud i hjden, och frid p jorden, bland mnniskor till vilka han har behag! __ TURKISH (13 - 14) Birdenbire melein yannda, gksel ordulardan oluan byk bir topluluk belirdi. Tanr'y verek, En ycelerde Tanr'ya ycelik olsun, yeryznde O'nun honut kald insanlara esenlik olsun! dediler. VIETNAMESE Sang danh Chua tren cac tng tri rat cao, Bnh an di at, an trach cho loai ngi! Merry Christmas!
dneo	Eh, how about Chinese? (Notext)	#1	[-]
Posts: 65 (12/24/2000 21:43:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts
amarillo	Re: Eh, how about Chinese? (Notext)	#2	[-]
Posts: 3730 (12/24/2000 21:54:14) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sorry lah, never install Unicode etc. Merry Christmas, Dan!
HoLogos	mortals of his good pleasure	#3	[-]
Posts: 1135 (12/25/2000 11:22:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This is a Greek textual difference. The earlier, and correct variant is "mortals of his good pleasure," that is, mortals that he favors, or is pleased with. This is the same phrase basically, as when a voice from heaven says of Jesus, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I have good pleasure." Interesting that the Douay Rheims selected the correct textual variant that early. Merry Christmas. We should pray for the Christian churches that were bombed in Jakarta, Indonesia, on Christmas eve. Brother Dave www.paulhommes.com/translation/chmas.rtf
Unregistered(d)	Peace, Goodwill toward Men	#4	[-]
Posts: 0 (12/26/2000 14:05:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Let's not dismiss the Received and Majority texts' reading of Luke 2:14 as though it were falsely ecumenical. It announces peace and goodwill toward [b]men,[/b] not toward [b]all men without exception.[/b] Besides, it's like the greeting Jesus told His seventy to give: "... Whatever house you enter, first say, [b]'Peace to this house.'[/b] And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you" (Luke 10:4-6, NKJV). Such a greeting can be conditional, depending on the response. Maybe an Alexandrian copyist considered the Byzantine reading of Luke 2:14 "too difficult," and so reworded it, "Peace toward men of goodwill." :-) Yours in Christ, Frank
amarillo	Inspiration	#5	[-]
Posts: 3730 (12/26/2000 23:23:23) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>> Maybe an Alexandrian copyist considered the Byzantine reading of Luke 2:14 "too difficult," and so reworded it, what audacity! the Alexandrian manuscripts were ALL given by inspiration, so who are u to challenge them? where's the FAITH?? ;-P
greenbranch	Re: Peace, Goodwill toward Men	#6	[-]
Posts: 2838 (12/27/2000 23:17:07) Registered User Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	>>>Maybe an Alexandrian copyist considered the Byzantine reading of Luke 2:14 "too difficult," and so reworded it, "Peace toward men of goodwill." :-)<<< If I am reading the text correctly, the variant difference consists of one letter. The text the KJV uses lacks one letter. The manuscripts with the letter are older than the manuscripts without. So, it is pretty hard for a copyist in the third century to change the text found in a manuscript from the 6th century becaise the reading is "too hard". What really happened is that a Byzantine copyist blinked when writing the word and missed that last letter. :-)

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