Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Armchair Scholar) — Fri, 22 May 2009 18:44:07 PST

Euthy: "Wooo.....it would almost be like a Royal Crown Copyright that would prohibit a certain version from being published in the British Isles without proper permission and royalties, wouldn't it?"

Nahhh, the KJV isn't 'copywritten,' remember?

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (amarillo) — Fri, 15 May 2009 10:22:21 PST

77 wrote:

amarillo wrote:
perhaps the whole copyright notion itself stinks!

imagine what might've happened if the Bible had been copyrighted from the outset n people had to wait forever to have it in their hearing?

77: Well, at least it prevents those with a theological chip on their shoulders from corrupting Biblical texts to conform to their particular biases. Tyndale had to deal with that very thing, if I recall correctly.

that i can understand, but i'm against the gatekeeping n the cash grabs by KJBOs n MVers alike.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (SAWBONES) — Fri, 15 May 2009 07:33:52 PST

77 said: "An understandable sentiment; but, unless I have missed my mark, they (Nelson) are the only ones who publish the NKJV, so - they still are useful (if stinky!)".

FWIW, Cambridge University Press now publishes the NKJV in both the Pitt Minion (teensy but legible print) format and in a larger wide margin edition, both of which are done with much better bindings than anything offered by Thomas Nelson and Sons.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (mko) — Fri, 15 May 2009 05:35:14 PST

George Joye, yeah.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (77) — Fri, 15 May 2009 05:13:59 PST

amarillo wrote:

77 wrote:
gconan: "Well, Thomas Nelson publishers stink!"

77: An understandable sentiment; but, unless I have missed my mark, they are the only ones who publish the NKJV, so - they still are useful (if stinky!).

perhaps the whole copyright notion itself stinks!

imagine what might've happened if the Bible had been copyrighted from the outset n people had to wait forever to have it in their hearing?

77: Well, at least it prevents those with a theological chip on their shoulders from corrupting Biblical texts to conform to their particular biases. Tyndale had to deal with that very thing, if I recall correctly.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Euthymius) — Thu, 14 May 2009 21:13:50 PST

Amarillo: imagine what might've happened if the Bible had been copyrighted from the outset n people had to wait forever to have it in their hearing?

Wooo.....it would almost be like a Royal Crown Copyright that would prohibit a certain version from being published in the British Isles without proper permission and royalties, wouldn't it?

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (amarillo) — Thu, 14 May 2009 20:53:48 PST

77 wrote:
gconan: "Well, Thomas Nelson publishers stink!"

77: An understandable sentiment; but, unless I have missed my mark, they are the only ones who publish the NKJV, so - they still are useful (if stinky!).

perhaps the whole copyright notion itself stinks!

imagine what might've happened if the Bible had been copyrighted from the outset n people had to wait forever to have it in their hearing?

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Euthymius) — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:45:14 PST

gconan: They are about their almight dollar!

Can't argue with that. Their 30,000 sq ft editorial offices in Nashville were bought and paid for almost exclusively from the profits of the NKJV (as I once was told by one of their former editors) ....

Like gconan, in general I also have a very strong tendency not to purchase books from over-greedy publishers (speaking primarily of Nelson and Zondervan). If I *really* need one of their books, I usually will get it at some point from a thrift shop or secondhand at lower than retail off Ebay, with no profit going to the publishers themselves by those routes.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (77) — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:21:36 PST

gconan: "Well, Thomas Nelson publishers stink!"

77: An understandable sentiment; but, unless I have missed my mark, they are the only ones who publish the NKJV, so - they still are useful (if stinky!).

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (gconan) — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:09:05 PST

Oh, I forgot. Thank you Euthymius for the information!!!

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (gconan) — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:08:01 PST

Well, Thomas Nelson publishers stink! They are about their almight dollar! How would they like to have to pay the queen of england royalties for printing the KJV? They would cry foul and whine. I will never, ever purchase one of their products again! I mean come on, there are a billion used Vines in the bookstores already anyway. They could have let the public domain ones stay online. They will squeeze the last 10$ out of this. They are low lifes.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Euthymius) — Thu, 14 May 2009 15:27:15 PST

Apparently the issue is once again in the courts, but until a final decision is reached, the Gatt Act remains in effect:

April 3, 2009

District Court: restoration of copyright in public domain foreign works violates First Amendment

This is major: a Federal District Court in Colorado has held unconstitutional a portion of the Copyright Act, holding that 17 U.S.C. §104A, which restored copyright in certain foreign works that had previously fallen into the public domain, cannot survive First Amendment scrutiny. The government defended the statute by arguing that such restoration was required by

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Euthymius) — Thu, 14 May 2009 13:36:59 PST

As I stated above, the Gatt Act (I misspelled above as Gantt) legally restored copyright protection to certain works that had actually gone out of copyright; this in part to satisfy international copyright regulations where the US was out of step.

Merely slapping "public domain -- copy freely" on such works does not alter the facts, and yes, Thomas Nelson publishers indeed do have the legal authority to proceed against that site, if they so choose (just ask various hard-copy publishers in the US who had reprinted Vine's freely, but who since have been forced to stop).

As noted by Thomas Nelson publishers:

Vine's Expository Ditionary of New Testament Words, © 1968, which copyright is now restored by the GATT Treaty to W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd., Bath, England; and Nelson's Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, © 1980, Thomas Nelson, Inc., and Topical...

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (gconan) — Wed, 13 May 2009 17:13:17 PST

Public Domain -- Copy Freely

If I have a book that has gone out of copyright, I can publish it all I want. If somehow someone else republishes the book, as long as I use my copy I am good to go.

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (Euthymius) — Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:04 PST

Someone's probably going to get sued if they don't cease and desist, methinks.

Under the Gantt Act, the copyright for Vine's along with numerous other works was miraculously restored by the US Congress long after it had been allowed into the public domain. And, once this Acts was accomplished, Thomas Nelson publishers arranged an exclusive contract with the Vine estate to become their sole publisher worldwide, whether in print or electronically.

So, before the site is taken down, better copy off all you can.....

Re: Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (kiwiray) — Tue, 12 May 2009 23:02:54 PST

Useful, thanks.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

feeds@kickapps.com (gconan) — Tue, 12 May 2009 17:42:31 PST

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words