Cowboy Diplomacy: its aftermath

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amarillo
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30 May 2009, 01:20 #1

i thot it was all over by the time the Bushes hit their ranch in Crawford on their last flight outta the White House. even locked that 1st thread down.




well, it seems that was just part one ... the story goes on, apparently--check out this video.




in Toronto to debate another ex-POTUS, Bush isn't seeing much of the hero's welcome he thought he'd earned.




but we Bible-believing Christians are unlikely to be spared the fallout, as this accompanying article portends:





Was Bush on a mission from
God?




May 29, 2009

Mitch Potter


WASHINGTON
BUREAU







WASHINGTON-George W. Bush comes to Toronto today bedevilled by fresh questions about whether the former U.S.
president felt the hand of God driving his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Bush, a born-again Christian since age 40, arrives for today's paid speaking engagement at Metro Toronto
Convention Centre with fellow former president Bill Clinton amid a series of stranger-than-fiction disclosures, one of which suggests that apocalyptic
fervour may have held sway within the walls of his White House.


Bush, who turns 63 in July and was 54 when first sworn into office in 2001, has yet to comment on the
reports. They include last week's GQ magazine exposé into the hawkish use of scripture in 2003, when then-defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld
forwarded secret intelligence memos to Bush embroidered with biblical passages.


"Therefore, put on the full armour of God," a verse from Ephesians, and "Open the gates that
the righteous nation may enter," from Isaiah, are among the messages that adorn reports prepared for Bush by Rumsfeld's Pentagon.


Stranger still are new accounts emerging from France describing how former president Jacques Chirac was
utterly baffled by a 2003 telephone conversation in which Bush reportedly invoked fanatical Old Testament prophecy - including the Earth-ending battle with
forces of evil, Gog and Magog - in his arguments to enlist France in the Coalition of the Willing.


"This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies
before a New Age begins," Bush said to Chirac, according to Thomas Romer, a University of Lausanne theology professor who was later approached by French
officials anxious to understand the biblical reference. Romer first revealed his account in a 2007 article for the university review, Allez savoir,
which passed largely unnoticed.


Chirac, in a new book by French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, is quoted as confirming the surreal
conversation, saying he was stupefied by Bush's reference to biblical prophecy and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in
their beliefs."


It remains unclear whether Bush will be asked to shed light on the matter in Toronto today, where civil
tongues are likely to prevail in what is billed as "a conversation" between political heavyweights.


But in the absence of comment from Bush himself, disturbing questions about the extent to which his
administration blurred the lines of religion and war loom large.


"Speculating on what goes on inside George Bush's head is always a bold endeavour. But the sense
one gets from this is that biblical prophecy somehow factored in the thinking," said Clive Hamilton, a visiting scholar at Yale University in a recent
article for counterpunch.org.


"The most striking thing for me is in the real world, trying to get France to go to war on that basis
is crazy. It is hard to imagine a better way to scare off a potential friend."





Indeed, parts of these disclosures don't square with previous reports of Bush's religious
motivations. In 2003, Bush reportedly told Palestinian delegates he felt the hand of God pushing him to establish a Palestinian state - an outcome opposed by
hardcore U.S. evangelicals who support Israel, and campaign against Palestinian statehood on the basis of biblical prophecy....
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77
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30 May 2009, 01:54 #2

And we actually wonder why the secular left uses evangelical as a synonym for idiot.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.
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amarillo
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31 May 2009, 00:43 #3

bad, bad abuse of the Word, reported in the Chicago Tribune. some excerpts:




One passage plucked from the New Testament's Epistle to the Ephesians instructs believers to "put on the full armor of God." An excerpt from
the Old Testament's Isaiah directs them to "open the gates that the righteous nation may enter."


....




A photograph of soldiers kneeling in prayer features Isaiah 6:8: "Whom shall I send and who will go for us? Here I am, Lord. Send me."




"As a Christian, I am deeply troubled that a verse such as Isaiah 6:8 -- a verse about a great prophet's call to indict his own people for their
infidelity -- is being presented as a divine call for the U.S. to invade Iraq," Alexander said.
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amarillo
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05 Jun 2009, 04:04 #4

Image


hope Obama don't blow that one chance like his predecessor ...


to echo today's Drudge Report, "give to us peace in our time, O Lord.




article linked--nothing strikes panic
in the heart of the militants when hit where it matters, the heart:






Obama cracks the code to reach Islam

By Roula Khalaf


Published: June 4 2009 18:37 | Last updated: June 4 2009 20:05




No wonder extremist leaders were nervous ahead of Barack Obama's landmark address in Cairo, frantically firing off warnings to Muslims not to fall for
his words.
For years the likes of Osama bin Laden have claimed to speak on behalf of oppressed Muslim communities as they perverted ...
check out the rest of the article

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amarillo
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30 Jun 2009, 22:08 #5

not too many tears of mourning there:






http://www.liveleak.com/e/282_1246329921
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amarillo
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18 Jan 2012, 21:40 #6

just watched PBS Frontline's Kill/Capture feature ... sadly, Obama's continuing n advancing Bush's failed policy of military aggression when the true battle is in the realm of the soul.

can't flog a hornet's nest n hope the offspring come walking out as cuddly puppies.
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77
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20 Jan 2012, 22:02 #7

77:  Just wait, Amarillo:  whether Obama is defeated at the polls this year, or in four years, the new American right aims to take over, co-opting the Constitution and the people in the name of selfishness and unfettered, unrestrained greed.  

If you thought Bush's grasp of world affairs was lacking, you "aint seen anything yet.."
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amarillo
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21 Jan 2012, 01:05 #8

77 wrote:77:  Just wait, Amarillo:  whether Obama is defeated at the polls this year, or in four years, the new American right aims to take over, co-opting the Constitution and the people in the name of selfishness and unfettered, unrestrained greed.  

If you thought Bush's grasp of world affairs was lacking, you "aint seen anything yet.."
hmm, just great.

didn't know the Constitution was in any way equivalent to Bushism. then again, what wld i know, living up in primitive Igoo-land?
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21 Jan 2012, 01:23 #9

I think it's already happened. How many ways did they endrun around the constitution and the bill of rights with the 2012 NDAA?
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21 Jan 2012, 04:17 #10

mko wrote:I think it's already happened. How many ways did they endrun around the constitution and the bill of rights with the 2012 NDAA?


77:  True. An end-run that got rolling with the big-government monstrosity known as Homeland Insecurity.  But, on the bright side, having grandma groped at a security checkpoint is a small price to pay for the privilege of flying to Austin; and only terrorists would object to having their phones tapped without so much as summary court review, or e-mails read, or Facebook posts, or being whisked away into military custody for completely arbitrary reasons, utterly outside the due process of law. 
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